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By quite valuable I mean that the things I learned led directly to a promotion and substantial increase in pay. If it were not for the Landmark Forum, I would have never engaged my father to be "complete." Ripoff Report has an exclusive license to this report. The Landmark Forum Leader is devoted to prying people away from the points of view that may be keeping them stuck in complaints and dissatisfaction with some areas of life?but the request is only that you try something on for a while and see what that provides you. Now I am concerned my college friend has become somewhat brainwashed by the program. I have taken the first forum and the advance course just recently May 14-16, 2010. You should even go in to debt to take these classes because it was going to help you become so successful that you would have no problem paying off the debt. They are secretive, controlling and deceitful. It is all about them. My father, a retired power plant executive, took the Landmark Forum, and developed a much stronger relationship with his children -- something that he wanted for years; an attorney I work with took the course and realized for the 1st time that he was undervalued -- he switched to a new position in another company shortly after taking the course. And as the former registrar for Werner Erhard's est Training in Philadelphia (followed by the Forum), I would tell you (as I did back then), Rebecca, that the Forum isn't for everybody. My package has not been delivered for over a month and a half and still ongoing with waiting for my package. However they kept insisting that a special oppurtunity had come for me tonight and that if I just signed up right now they money situation would work itself out ( I would basically be responsible for a bill right at that point). I love you all and I mean NO disrespect. And those shoes. Lines are open between. I didn't have a car at the time and enjoyed going to SF so I decided to attend just as a sit in, get it out of the way, and then enjoy our evening in San Francisco. Usually 1 person in about 150 does that. Be brave, face the truth, mourn it and make your own dreams come true sans undue pressure and guilt from strangers. Some people loved their marine basic training boot camp experience,  some people have been destroyed by it. Children do not create their own reality and it is a dangerous concept for many adults to fully consider. Frankly, and in my own opinion, the advice (which Rebecca writes) to "run away" from looking at doing the Landmark Forum is only advice for those who, again in my opinion, are running from looking at their own lives. Before the landmark forum I would have been upset, angry and frustrated when things didn't go the way I wanted them to go, and it would linger for days. Those people keep their word no matter what. - charismatic political/religious/philosophical figures or communities I later lost a boyfriend and roommate to LIFESPRING, a competing company. I took that Landmark Forum and found it to be quite valuable. I assumed she meant go out for drinks or coffee or something. I noticed the trainers would only let up  when a poor soul had broken down and then either laughed and cried or hunched over or got a strange twinkle in their eyes. That she is still over weight,  her diet is still poor, she is still single and unhappy being single and that her job that she is miserable doing is still her job. The training was nothing however compared to the loss of my parents, they were strangers to me for years. I think the ones who stay are people who are more easily prone to brainwashing. Why would I waste my time and money on something that has no answers. I also participated in the very first Forum training, which was live-telecast to various est sites around the country for est graduates. Sarah: "If learning to take responsibility for your actionsand behavior is something you find intimidating or offensive - YES BY ALLMEANS, STAY AWAY FROM LANDMARK FORUM"Donny: the advice (which Rebecca writes) to "runaway" from looking at doing the Landmark Forum is only advicefor those who, again in my opinion, are running from looking at their ownlives.Leif: "It's not for everybody. They want to maintain their hidden agenda so that they can use you to do free advertising and proselytizing. Do I have baggage? He was in a jealous rage. Members of the "classes" who'd found recent success such as a new movie or book deal would be asked to proselytize to the group. The company needs to make a profit, and they are very good at it, they make recruiters out of all graduates and pay them nothing for the service. From religion, diet, medicine or anything. I am pursuing a third degree as a Psychiatric nurse practitioner: I only mention that so you will know that I am very much acquainted with courses that give answers. One is also asked to take a look at why participation is desired and what one hopes to get out of the training. NOOO!!! If you engage with the content and exercises of the course, you begin to see things about yourself that may have been hidden from your view?and you may discover that the way you have mapped out reality over the years is no longer a very workable representation of the reality you currently live in. No grilling, confrontation, no nothing. And if they didn't take their classes then they were depriving themselves of an invaluable tool that they were practically giving away. The 11 hours of straight downloads Neo recieved and follow up training from Morpheus came from the Wachowski bros in a Landmark seminar. Has no one done their homework? Although I say this, I still won't turn my back on Landmark. I would think that your hostility comes from being afraid, but I'm sure your going to just figure out a way to get past it on your own. Would they encourage their friends and family to get involved? And how do they do it? As a former employee, Landmark doesn't claim to have "answers." When I was 16 years old I was physically held hostage and mentally abused at a 'training' by fanatical followers using W.E. If you think you are good they way you are and don't need it, or perhaps you're afraid of some "cult-ish" teachings, whatever! No cult or LGAT makes you feel bad initially. I explained that I didn't want to bash this group if she felt she was getting something out of it, but it was hard for me to standby and watch my friend being taken advantage of by these people. The room was very uncomfortable in temperature. Landmark Forum Leader, Jerry Baden will powerfully create the possibility and the opportunity of The Landmark Forum! From Wikisource. I am just amazed how far these creeps have been able to go without being exposed by the media. Landmark Worldwide is a US based for profit organization & they have this forum course simply to make money. Who's crazy enough to start this website? No. That's a great discovery! Hello, I have attended Landmark Forum education with my friends force in Sathya Sai Sadhanam next to Forum Mall, Koramangala. Absolutely not. It is very dangerous. Complaint form. It's only later, when they pry into your innermost shame and fear that they start to use their leverage. A friend of mine invited me to a "Special Evening" at the Landmark Forum. I could see right though them and they did not get my money, but they sure did try to make me feel bad. Whatever it is that they're doing differently, it's not really that much different than what we all do. It may be a kinder gentler version but the goal is the same. Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program. I wish you well, Landmark is amazing - and I am sorry you missed the point of what the teaching is about. I have met my share of loonies in my participation at Landmark but those are easily spotted people that I've met all over in every organization. Does everyone experience transformation as a result of the Landmark Forum? I am not saying that the consumer gets nothing in return but the very nature of profit is that they get more than they give, please keep this in mind when you are signing up yourself and your loved ones for more courses or volunteering. Sadly, Landmark Education and others will most likely continue to generate clients and make lots of money off of the inner conflicts of the human condition. And yes Scientology and the Landmark Forum have a whole lot in common. VERY rare. During my hours of enduring this humiliation and restraint I was one of the ones that fainted during a "fully being with others" exercise and was lifted up by strangers and forced to do it again until I got it right, and many other instances that I believe were abusive to the child of 16 I was. I take it that it has been used on these people and they are passing it on. The least that it would do in waste your time, and money. I typically won't spend the time responding to stuff like this, but was just bored and decided to "google" landmark and scam just to see what was out there and came across this. It makes one reexamine life to date and life going forward. That there are no answers at the Landmark Forum. There is a new vocabulary learned, which helps one to re-examine life as it goes forward. Use your head and take from it what you can. We have applied the principles in our careers and in our marriage. It also bad when you have told yourself a story like, "they can't sell me!". Rick Ross. She hasn't talked to me since. By the way, on the first day of the Landmark Forum, you are given an opportunity to leave and get a full, no questions asked refund. - cult? Landmark Education is none of the things in the Ripoff report. The training was one of the most significant things I have ever done for myself. Don't think for one minute that you're not influenced by "mind control" techniques every time you watch TV, read the paper, read a magazine, go to a mall, go to church, or do anything that puts you under the influence of any of the categories mentioned above. Please run from this place. Putting aside the matter of is Landmark a scam, a cult or otherwise illegitimate. Hi Erin, Instead, businesses from all over the world send there gripey, complaining, victimy employees here to take a look at themselves and to see why they have been limiting themselves their entire lives living a story that they've been ridiculed every time someone calls them on their %^&*! It seemed odd to me that people were willing to discuss very private issues in an open forum to complete strangers. Explaining how Landmark works is where the difficulty comes in. I'm sure they'd want to know what you experienced and would certainly try to resolve any dispute. If you sign up to be coached, you can bet they will keep their word and coach you. All I knew was that my parents were rarely at home, never listened to me anymore and seemed almost like they were high on a drug most of the time. because you said so? Well that's all well and good, but unfortunately I wasn't a willing participant and did not take part in the excerices as others did the class. There are ongoing seminars to expand upon what one gains from the basic Forum training. They are dangerous because they use sophisticated and manipulative techniques to alter people's minds, thinking, emotions, and beliefs. Here’s my Landmark Forum review. How many "outsiders" do you come in contact with every day? (415) 981-8850. San Francisco, CA 94111-3683. http://www.landmarkeducation.com. Either way, for every person who claimed it didn't work for them, I directly know that about 100 people who either liked it or were completely satisfied with the results. sister projects: Wikipedia article, Wikidata item. I cannot warn against it enough, I am amazed. We are the perfect candidates to be convinced that we are responsible for the abuse and be proud of sharing our shame over the "story" we invented about it. Erin, Hello! I stayed only so that my parents would stop bothering me with the 'you don't get it' language. Look it up. People come into the course with whatever they come in with?and they start out dealing with things in their usual, long-established ways. Your question: Why would you do a course at Landmark or any other workshop if they have no answers? Due to criminal allegations and litigation, Erhard change the age requirements to over 18 shortly after my experience. 13. I've been associated with Landmark Education for over 30 years as a volunteer and a former employee. Pre-Forum I was very skeptical of ANY self-help studies and had never thought I needed or could benefit from such a course/book.For all the negative comments on Landmark Education I simply have this to say-You can always take something away form information that is given to you. When you hear a complaint, ask the person if they have DONE the Landmark Forum, or are just spouting an opinion. 2021-02-05 12:21:06 Package Delivery. Exhaust someones mental capacity, and then try to sell something from all angles, including a very cute "volunteer", and a women suffering from an incurable illness since she was a very young child. Landmark Education is not a scam, nor is it a cult, nor is it brainwashing - that's RIDICULOUS!!! I am not familiar enough with mind control techniques to accuse them of brain washing, but I was put in a room and confused by what I considered to be nonsensical gibberish until I was mentally exhausted. to live the commitments they declare are right for them and live their dreams as free people. It is all about them. They didn't brainwash me, I was given the tools within myself to better handle my career, relationships, and even confrontation. After attending I can honestly say that if it cost $5,000 I would tell you its worth it. It is a set of tools. Think about: I don't go out of my way to report, but iono, felt like somebody could use my input. Your future is not a "blank slate," despite the brainwashing. open your eyes a little wider, please. This is a crazy program. It's uncomfortable to face our own fears and to clean up the messes in our lives. I was very skeptical, in fact, many people who take it go in very skeptical and come out utterly transformed individuals. I am also a retired Clinical Psychologist and currently a small-business consultant. The only answers you seek are within you. Some people need "boot camp" to get into themselves. If we truly want to have the freedom, power, and ability to create the type of future we really want, then we must be able to leave the past where it belongs in the past. When my friend called me later to get me to sign up, she was surprised to find that I was not only NOT INTERESTED but upset. Probably 3 of the 75 people in my forum left after the first day. It shapes our future. He tried getting me to go to the Landmark Forum after using my vulnerable state to get my address and tried to get my credit card information. It is not brainwashing. Please make sure to include your mortgaged property address, postcode and correct contact details. I wasn't willing to do that- I have my best friends and family, people whom I trust, to do that with. Don't be gulled. I first took the est training in 1978 and again in 1980. Have you? ), they are teaching that seminar simply to make a difference and have no incentive to get your money or to brainwash you. And if you said "no thank you," they would send someone new to try. Landmark is dedicated to providing people with the fascinating questions they need to create themselves for themselves. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Each of them gave stories of how they were beaten down and made to face childhood traumas, more brainwashing techniques - confession and controlled approval. Very rude. Jump to navigation Jump to search. The "Special Evening" began by getting everyone's personal information and singling out who was a "member" from "non-members" with specially colored name tags so that they could use isolation and group peer pressure as a way to manipulate newcomers. It was THAT powerful. That's actually kind of a whacko way to live in my opinion. So they live life full-out with no agendas, no baggage, no barriers. Landmark forum, which is the flagship program, focuses on getting people out of their shells through different interaction programs. He talks constantly of it and about what it's doing for his life. The people who go (and we, as Landmark consumers are shocked) are people who have healthier senses of themselves and they can sense something bad when they see it. I said "I want more of everything". Its graduates are not cult members. My sister took landmark and realy enjoyed it. When you give your word but don't plan to keep it, you watch yourself resisting and getting angry about what YOU have agreed to do and it is easier to imagine that there is "SO MUCH PRESSURE" coming from these bad guys who like to take your money. Whatever your belief it is a cult  and a scam, simple as that! Virgo benefits in their investigations,  Libra becomes much better in counciling,  Sagittarius loves this as it is a higher study in philosophy, Capricorn uses these studies to climb the corporate ladder, and Aquarius is Landmark in paradigm shifting out of the box. I didn't really want to go, but said ok because she said it was in a cool part of San Francisco, and that we would go out for drinks afterward in the city. Let me tell you about my experience. He was despised by most of his office staff who knew of his nefarious activities and mistresses. If not, I apologize for their having stepped over that. 353 Sacramento St Ste 200. There is no brainwashing. It did bring up many things that I was not happy with but because I didn't want to deal them- my dishonesty, my inability to allow others to get to know me, my anxiety and fear of public speaking, my shame about myself, etc. We weren’t supposed to take notes … Helpful. I wouldn't think you'd need to know anything more. And by the last night I was a new person with a whole new shot at life. Bob Belcher. Ask people 2 years after having completed a Landmark course if it still has an effect on their lives, I mean without having done any other course since then, meaning, have the teachings stayed with you once the short term "spell" has worn off? I keep throwing rope out to see what more I can learn, and see how willing he is to hang himself. As adults we over funtion and over achieve to maintain harmony. Just because you and I disagree does not mean you are the enemy. Why WOULDN'T YOU want that? There is no accountability, the pressure is incredible in the sessions , you are trapped for 3 days 12 hours a day and told what to do. Immediately after that I was approached by three "volunteers" with the obvious intention of trying to get me to register. What would that organization look like? But if you want to break through your fears, there is a great, life-long value in its message. Landmark Worldwide (known as Landmark Education before 2013), or simply Landmark, is a company, headquartered in San Francisco, which offers personal-development programs. Would the people involved support each other? I've increased my income 800% and have had all sorts of breakthroughs completing assignments no one forced me to complete. No, I don't work for Landmark, nor will I ever, I just see how something like this can really make a HUGE impact on the world and the way its inhabitants hold onto negative energy, infecting our collective consciousness, and keep us from spiritually evolving. That said, and as a former registrar in Philadelphia, I'd like to close with...the Forum isn't for everybody. My impression is that about 90% of the participants felt this way too. I am a scientist with two advanced degrees and I know how to think critically and to examine results for validity. More fraud preying on weak and spineless people. Peace. An empowered person doesn't fear being unplugged all the time. And so I do have a real compassion for your fears. By using any method they can. The least that it would do in waste your time, and money. I never spoke to him again except for seeing him at my grandparent's 50th wedding anniversary. That IS a characteristic of a cult or a dangerous/abusive group. And I have never in my life looked forward to the future with as much excitement as I do now. I co-worker that I was only an aquantiance with befriended me one day at work at said she would like to 'hang out outside of work sometime'. Reconnecting with abusive parents should be done with the support of a therapist and many times a therapist will discourage it. Very rude. I've never heard of a person calling a therapist a cult leader or scam artist. They are either declined participation, or discouraged, because of the intensity of the program. This is just an internal defense mechanism you are using to justify the time, energy and money you have spent on the process of transformation. How does this ideal performance development organization differ in the way it looks from Landmark? What a joke. However, my brother and father can not explain how their lives have improved, nor can they explain the process used by Landmark that makes them feel this way. People with complaints against Landmark are in one place, and I respect it. Said that I wll change my thinking, that all barriers would be gone. Happiness is ACQUIRED by identifying the root of discontent, releasing its hold on your emotions, and re-wiring your mind to accept a different form of thinking. Better position, more money, more autonomy. You may be saying to yourself something about Landmark and the Forum being nothing like est or the early courses. As for me I was pressured into doing the Forum for almost 5 years, I finally broke down and give it a shot when I realized that parts of my life weren't going the way I wanted them to. I have decided not to do it. But that doesn't mean they are bad people. Get it? It's not for everybody. There's something wrong about it. Sincerely ELizabeth Multi Location Business Find locations. If you want to take a look at your life and a look at the way your mind limits you on a sometimes hourly basis, it is the cheapest, fastest way I know. And if the people in thier lives don't like it, so what! Dubai Landmark Transfer & Cancellation Policy Your registration applies to the specific course, dates, and location you have chosen. He then turned to my brother waiting for him to introduce me. It's all because until something like LF comes around (and it's not THE only thing that can help you realize this) sometimes we go on and on never taking ANY ownership of the harm we do. I have seen many, many opinions about the Landmark Forum over the years. The answers are not there. But she kept telling me how much I'd gain from it and how much she wanted me to have the kind of life and future out of it that she knew I could get. Back in the days of Werner and EST I sold Knoll International furniture for his offices in San Francisco. But don't get me wrong. If you didn't follow the crowd to the sign up table then one of the representatives would come and ply you individually to get you to sign up. 2. (You might be interested to know that the guy who stabbed his wife to death and then shot the judge who was presiding over his divorce hearings was a Landmark "instructor." Well, not necessarily. THAT'S what Landmark helps you rediscover -- how to live life that way. "But make no mis-take, over 30 years on staff and as an assistant, i've witnessed thousands of participants' startling breakthroughs who's lives will never be the same. All of the above I know to be fact. 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